Dear Home Ec 101,
Can one substitute vinegar -lots of it- for the bleach when cleaning and disinfecting?
I can’t be around bleach, it triggers SEVERE migraines.
Signed,
Pickled in Pickens
Original opening written in 2014:
There are certain times when I am reluctant to give a hard answer. In our litigious climate, I’m sure you can understand my concern.
The CDC says the use of vinegar is inconclusive and needs to be studied further. I only found that after using a multitude of search terms to try and weed out the 934462 sites on the web that basically say, “Vinegar is the Greatest Cleaning Agent Ever!!! I don’t have any evidence, so you’ll just have to trust me because I say so”.
Do you know how vinegar is made?
Vinegar is the byproduct of ethanol fermentation. Basically, a specific kind of bacteria -genus Acetobacter metabolize (think of it as their equivalent of eating) alcohol and produce acetic acid as their waste. Now you’re craving some french fries with malt vinegar, aren’t you?
Distilled vinegar is the only type of vinegar that should be used for cleaning. Why? You need to know the acidity of your cleaning agent. Aside from that, you certainly aren’t going to save money by cleaning your toilet with aged balsamic vinegar, even if it does smell nicer.
Distilled white vinegar can only kill some, not all, bacteria.
The advice was updated in 2022, after the information has been updated in data available. Because Repeat with me:
Know better: Do better.
2022 UPDATE – The CDC says that vinegar is ineffective against the virus that causes COVID-19
Only use disinfectants approved by the EPA for disinfecting
Vinegar is not safe to use as a disinfectant for any medical equipment. You must follow your physician’s advice if you want information on cleaning home healthcare items.
There’s a whole genus of bacteria Pseudomonas, as an example, out there that doesn’t care about vinegar. Is Pseudomonas an issue? Well, for some people, it certainly is. If you have anyone in your home with Cystic Fibrosis, it can cause pneumonia. In patients on chemotherapy, it can cause skin infections, etc. Ever heard of hot tub rash? Pseudomonas is the likely culprit. So there are cases where vinegar really isn’t the smart choice. In hospitals, Pseudomonas can be particularly devastating. It’s the cause of Necrotising Enterocolitis in NICU patients and devastating skin infections in burn patients.
Dilute solutions of chlorine bleach applied properly is the only agent I feel comfortable recommending when disinfection truly matters. If you use chlorine bleach properly, there should not be a significant source of fumes.
As humans, we actually need some exposure to pathogens (disease-causing agents). Encounters with small amounts of some bacteria may actually be good for our body’s ability to recognize and fend off disease. Not every surface in your home needs to disinfected.
That said COVID-19 is causing immune system disruptions in the population at large. If you have had a case of COVID-19 in the last few months, you should be aware that your ability to fight off new infections may be compromised. This is one of the reasons the flu has been so widespread so early in the 2022-2023 season.
You should be practicing good hand hygiene and disinfecting high-touch surfaces in your home: door knobs, light switches, etc
Please use your best judgment when making these decisions.
Also? Wash your hands.
Send your questions to helpme@home-ec101.com.
ref: http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/3_3inactivBioAgents.html which has been moved to: https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/guidelines/disinfection/index.html
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24495-germs#
Thanks so much for the info Heather!
You do such a great job of finding info…..I REALLY appreciate!
Spraying hydrogen peroxide, followed immediately by vinegar, has been shown to be a very powerul disinfectant http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-09… (see p. 18) and http://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2008/06/in-my…
Peroxides kind of tricky, though. It breaks down into water and oxygen when exposed to light, so it has to be used in small (fresh) quanitities and stored in an opaque bottle.
It's the trickiness that makes me very reluctant to offer it as an alternative. Also, I don't even see food grade peroxide on my usual runs, so the thought of adding another item to hunt down?
In our house, it's just not an option I'm willing to pursue, but thank you for mentioning it, others might find it useful.
I just screw a spray top directly into the brown bottle that the hydrogen peroxide comes in. And the study I read said it worked in either order-vinegar first or hydrogen peroxide first.
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Please note that the "brown bottle"H202 – Hydrogen Peroxide is not only unstable but its not regulated so its full of "gunk." (no telling what is mixed in it) I would only use it in a bathroom and laundry. I do not use that particular type (brown bottle) Hydrogen Peroxide in my kitchen, at all.. and NEVER PUT IT INTO YOUR MOUTH. ~Heidi
A few years ago, I experienced CO poisoning. As a result, I developed MCS. (multiple chemical sensitivity) I now react to all commercial cleaning supplies and personal care products, among a large number of other things. Headaches, confusion, loss of motor control, and muscle/joint pain are all par for the course. But for me, bleach will trigger an asthma-like attack. It doesn't matter where in the building the bleach is being used, I will react to it.
I, completely, understand. I stopped buying it, but unfortunately I'm not the only one that shops, at my house, and I'm most usually (did I just make up a new term? LOL) not the one cleaning. My family still uses bleach and they try to use it when I'm away. I react with asthmatic reaction and migraines up to 3 days after they've used it and I came home.
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Bissell and the Shark Mop company both make handheld steamers for cleaning and sanitizing hard surfaces without any chemicals, just water – Bissell's is called SteamShot, the other is called the Pocket Portable Steamer (and you can use it on your wrinkled clothes, too!).
I haven't tried them myself but they might be a good option for the chemical sensitive.
I was just researching these this past week. 🙂 I've been wondering about the hard plastic casing off gassing though. I do tend to do better with the harder plastics (rather than the softer, flexible sort) so maybe I'll be okay. <shrug> Only one way to find out.
I have a UV light wand that I use for sterilizing things that can't take bleach. It kills all kinds of germs on all types of surfaces except for deeply textured textiles and carpets (if the light can't reach a spot, it can't disinfect it).
Thanks for mentioning this. I hadn't heard about them. 🙂
After your comment, I've done some research with the help of my good friend Eugene. I'll be writing a post on this method next week. Thank you for bringing it up.
Thanks, it sounds intriguing and useful.
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/24585360/upstate-hospitals-test-uv-light-sanitizing-wands I have read that UV wands are not very effective– attached a story I ran across
Thank you for bringing up the need for germs in our lives! I have a couple autoimmune diseases and I really believe that the over-sterilization of our environment is why these types of diseases are becoming so prevalent.
My allergies make me so angry. I keep telling my husband, if we didn't have clean water, I'd be the healthiest person in this house!
Do I go drink from puddles? No, there's a total skeeve factor there.
He's totally disturbed by the idea that I would sign up for a parasite study. Too bad, he's not the one who feels like he did 100 + crunches from an allergy attack. He doesn't get eyes so red, people ask what he's on. (My 5yo emptied the vacuum cannister upstairs and didn't mention anything. The forced air heat spread it around the house. I'm still a little cranky from yesterday.
Heather, when i read what you wrote about the vacuum being emptied and your allergies, it reminded me of earlier home life with two highly allergic family members. One of the things we did that really helped was purchasing a used Rainbow vacuum cleaner. All the gunk goes right into the water and there’s just that to dump. NO bags to be exposed to, buy or toss. They are expensive that’s why I bought a used one. But the family was certainly happier and healthier. I also used it in the baby’s room as a humidifier adding essential oils to the water when she was sick. Good luck! karen
That’s a great idea.
The funny thing is, yes, I have allergies, yes I still have to take prescriptions, but? A few years ago I’d be miserable despite everything.
I’ve done a lot of hard work to reduce the stress in my life and that has helped more than anything else. I could also finally be growing out of them, but it’s a bit coincidental. 🙂
Just my usual naggy reminder that bleach is readily inactivated by contact with organic matter, so clean before disinfecting with bleach!
When I worked in restaurants we had a spray for sanitizing food surfaces that had a very mild odor. Do you have any idea what that might have been and if it is available for retail consumers?
I’ve been wondering the same thing, but I think from what she says it might actually be watered down bleach. At one point I refilled the spray bottles for my restaurant, and I was told to mix a small amount of liquid with a large amount of water. Unfortunately I did not think to note down the name of the sanitizing liquid in question, but I remember suspecting that it was bleach from the smell, which I never suspected using the watered down spray bottles. Her page on using bleach safely says to use 1 tablespoon of bleach per gallon of water, and that is exactly how much I was told to add to our bottles.
I add a few drops of tea tree oil to my homemade cleaner to disinfect.
Jana
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Thank you heather, I hate the smell of chlorine, so this is a perfect alternitivie
My husband had emphasema; I needed to daily clean/soak plastic tubing and the plastic items that he sucked on, etc.
His physicans said white vinegar was the only thing they wanted me to use.
That’s because anything else would cause a reaction and could close of the lungs. Household cleaners like bleach, shower cleaners, Windex, etc. all caused my mom (who also has emphysema and COPD) to have a reaction with her breathing. The lungs inflame from breathing in the harsh chemicals (in already damaged lungs) and can swell and close off leaving the person without air. This is why for those patients Vinegar is usually used.
Vinegar can cause microscopic holes/tears. Discuss this with your MD.
After my husbands’ prostate cancer surgery, at a well-known teaching hospital, the physician and his team had us clean the medical equipment with white vinegar.
Was it diluted and if so how’s to dilute?